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LOD TXT files those don't work

Postby Artas1984 » Oct 3 2007, 21:38

After long time of editing lots of TXT files from H3bitmap.LOD i am very disappointed now...

Man, i wasted so much time now to find out that the only important files those work in data are:

CRTRAITS
HCTRAITS

And all other important files which i modified like SPTRITS or SSTRAITS bail, some even cause crash like BUILDING...

Howcome they don't work?

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Postby Pol » Oct 3 2007, 21:56

They are connected with other data in exe file. However more trait files is working try to look on undeadhalforc balance patch or yasmiel fireball mod.
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Postby Corlagon » Oct 7 2007, 11:14

That's funny. All of those files work for me when I edit them. SPTRAITS is fine. I used it recently to create a new spell system, much like Heroes IV's one. Are you using the tab key between every changed value?

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Postby Artas1984 » Oct 7 2007, 13:44

The TAB space is not present everywhere, but i keep in mind to keep a TAB distance between values.

Now why other files do not work?

For example in SSTRAITS if i change the sorcery skill expert value from 15 % to 50 % to deal spel combat damage, the spell still does 15 % more damage, not 50 %.

Or if i change the value of how much gold should the capitol provide per day from 4000 to 10000, it still provides 4000.


So what's up?

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Postby Corlagon » Oct 8 2007, 20:14

Secondary skills are hard coded and can only be changed through ERM or programming, neither of which I consider myself very good at. SSTRAITS.txt only contains the skill descriptions, not the gameplay values. The value for Sorcery you changed only altered the text displayed when you right-click the skill, and didn't affect the spell damage and whatnot. That's hard coded. ;|

As for the buildings, I'm not sure which file you edited but sadly I don't think building functions can be edited either - only costs and descriptions. You could alter the capitol's income with an ERM script though.

Unfortunately, the text files can only go so far, but you can still use them to edit all artifact properties, spell ranks and schools, creature stats, costs, and a few other things.

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Postby Artas1984 » Oct 8 2007, 21:27

So there are hard coded text files and direct access text files?

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Postby Corlagon » Oct 8 2007, 21:43

No, just direct text files. Anything else is coded deep inside the game and can't be changed, unless you're good with ERM or the head of the WoG project.

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Postby BAD23ro » Oct 14 2007, 10:29

Artas1984 wrote:The TAB space is not present everywhere, but i keep in mind to keep a TAB distance between values.

Now why other files do not work?

For example in SSTRAITS if i change the sorcery skill expert value from 15 % to 50 % to deal spel combat damage, the spell still does 15 % more damage, not 50 %.

Or if i change the value of how much gold should the capitol provide per day from 4000 to 10000, it still provides 4000.


So what's up?



Well, erm and asm are the only ways to change that.

You need to know at least basic asm to make the changes via executable.

For instance:
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You want expert sorcery to do 50% more damage at expert via executable. (flat code is 9a99193e which means 15% damage).

If want to make 50%, you need to make this code: 0000003f
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Postby Ya5MieL » Mar 15 2008, 23:14

Corlagon wrote:No, just direct text files. Anything else is coded deep inside the game and can't be changed, unless you're good with ERM or the head of the WoG project.


Actually, its possible to edit as well, just not with simple text files. Needs editing .exe file.
Lol nevermind, bad already said the same thing.

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Postby BAD23ro » Mar 16 2008, 1:43

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Postby Ya5MieL » Mar 16 2008, 3:37

Yes, wog is easily done by erm, unfortunately ppl around me donl like wog and prefer these simple changes.

Thanks very much for the offsets!

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Postby Artas1984 » Mar 16 2008, 10:10

Wow great, must downlaod that hexeditor and learn soemthing out! :)

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Postby Pol » Mar 16 2008, 10:20

Working with hex edit or assembler is basically not so much easy. Actually just programming in C it's lightweight task to that.

That's because here is difference if you just want to do some value switch, or trace where is it...
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Postby BAD23ro » Mar 16 2008, 20:08

Pol wrote:Working with hex edit or assembler is basically not so much easy.



Asm isn't so easy, but I prefer ASM :)

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Postby BAD23ro » Mar 16 2008, 20:12

Artas1984 wrote:Wow great, must downlaod that hexeditor and learn soemthing out! :)


Get an hexeditor, but I still need you to warn you that are in float 32 and I gave you an example for sorcery.


For instance:
========

You want expert sorcery to do 50% more damage at expert via executable. Flat code is 9a99193e which means 15% damage).

If want to make 50%, you need to make this code: 0000003f(Little Endian aka Intel).

Is important this because if will be 3f000000(Big Endian) will get 8.8 more times and that's wrong.


So, remember, for Heroes II, III, IV you need Little Endian aka Intel.
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Postby Ya5MieL » Mar 16 2008, 20:56

Keep in mind that while some values are float, other are still simple integers. It makes sense but could lead to errors to beginners in ASM.

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Postby BAD23ro » Mar 16 2008, 23:07

Exactly :)

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Postby Artas1984 » Mar 27 2008, 17:40

Ok, now tell me where and what should i paste.

I opened SSTRAITS and changed the values in Hexedit, saved the files, inserted the configuration file in Config and the text file in Data. That ain't the thing, right? Ok, wth are those offsets, i don't see a god damned thing.

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Postby BAD23ro » Mar 28 2008, 8:33

Artas1984 wrote:Ok, now tell me where and what should i paste.

I opened SSTRAITS and changed the values in Hexedit, saved the files, inserted the configuration file in Config and the text file in Data. That ain't the thing, right? Ok, wth are those offsets, i don't see a god damned thing.


The changes must be done in main executable, not in SSTRAITS.

So, get an hexeditor, open H3 exe and look for the offsets that I gave you.

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Postby Artas1984 » Mar 28 2008, 10:57

Ok, in hex editor, should i insert new strings as your suggested "off-sets" for custom secondary skills?

Because when i search for your written "off-sets" as "find strings", there are no...


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